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UBS's Leibowitz: On the ATS Front Lines

May 14, 2007

UBS Investment Bank COO Larry Leibowitz's career has paralleled several waves of growth and innovation in automated and quantitative trading. As a UBS managing director overseeing those functions among others, Leibowitz was also a driving force behind--and serves as chairman of--Block Interest Discovery Service (Bids), a dark-book alternative trading system (ATS) owned by UBS and 11 other top capital markets firms. Leibowitz believes that the securities markets, and equities in particular, are likely to be in a state of transition for the next few years. In an interview with Securities Industry News, Leibowitz discussed various unfolding developments, including how forthcoming point-in-time crosses at the Nasdaq Stock Market and New York Stock Exchange fit into that transition.

Leibowitz joined UBS as a managing director in November 2004 when it acquired Schwab Capital Markets, where he served as co-head. Before joining the Charles Schwab & Co. unit in 2001, he was with Bunker Capital, a quantitative hedge fund that he co-founded in 1996. Before that he was CEO of the RediBook electronic communications network (ECN) until its acquisition by Archipelago, now part of the NYSE. Leibowitz, a Princeton University graduate, has also been managing director, head of program and quantitative trading and head of global equities technology at Credit Suisse First Boston (CSFB); chief information officer and head trader at Tech Partners, a quant trading boutique that CSFB acquired in 1991; and head of an auto-execution-focused trading systems development group at Morgan Stanley. He spoke last week with SIN correspondent John Hintze.


Are the Nasdaq and NYSE crosses seeking to recapture liquidity they have lost to ATSs? I think everyone is searching to understand what trading and price discovery look like in an environment that is much more electronic, and they're experimenting with different models, whether it's an ATS such as an ECN, a call at a single price and point in time, or a negotiated cross a la Pipeline [Trading Systems], Liquidnet or Bids. The U.S. market is in transition right now. The NYSE was a continuous call market, because you had the floor. You also had block desks doing a lot of volume before. They've been somewhat disintermediated, and the world is trying to figure out where to go now.

So it's a period of experimentation? That's correct. Participants are concerned about potentially losing market share, but also clients facing problems in getting liquidity in the market. A lot of that stems from the disappearance of block trades, as more and more clients trade electronically through algorithms and their orders become smaller and smaller. Finding liquidity for the larger blocks has become more and more difficult. The world is experimenting with what is the right way to make that happen again.

Do you see the exchanges' crosses helping on that front? It's really questionable. There's a limit to how much crossing can occur. It requires the simultaneous appearance of a buyer and a seller, and the problem is really being all places at once. The question is, how much more room is there for more discreet, relatively frequent call-market crosses? The exchanges are trying to leverage off of the natural liquidity they already have, and bring people together at the same time. But it's not clear whether they're going to find hugely more liquidity.